There's no way I could sleep tonight without ripping the shit out of Pownce. The only thing that really irritates me about Pownce is that it has to exist on the same internet that I use.

Pownce is a web service that lets you "share stuff with your friends". Translated into non-retard speak, this means "a website where you can go to put notes and files and shit up for other users". What was that? You remember FTP too? Yeah, from nineteen seventy-fucking one? Now it has pastel colors, and it's invite-only.

Pownce also feels a little bit like Twitter except that its user interface makes you want to gouge your eyeballs out with a fork. That, and it serves quite a few 503s. Hooray for graceful degradation.

I Can't Hear You Over The Sound Of How Awesome I Am

So okay, let's have a look at the technical merits of Pownce. First up JavaScript, and lots of it. Yeah, there's like 3kb of JavaScript written by Leah Culver. Leah, it seems, is a staunch advocate of "fickle programming", where you're not quite sure what you want to do. Take this snippet for example:

    ...
    $('message_div').appendChild(msg_div);
    Effect.Appear(msg_div);
    // fade the error message after some time?
    //setTimeout("Effect.Fade(msg_div);", 10*1000);
    ...

Yeah, we're not quite sure if we wanna fade this message, but we'll just leave useless comments in production code that gets unnecessarily sent over the wire. Who cares? Everyone who uses our service has a cable modem. Yeah, I'm a latency crank. Blow me. Amateurs.

Pownce lets you upload files with a 10MB maximum size, which is about as useful as a tumor. File uploads on the internet aren't useful unless they're:

  • A) copyrighted content
  • B) porn
  • C) both A and B

Stop All The Downloadin'

Sure, you could put a few mp3s up there, but without larger file sizes, it's functionally useless. Oh, you can pay $20/year for the privilege of 100MB file uploads. Whoop-de fucking doo. They use Amazon S3 as a data store, which will cost you $1.80 to store a gigabyte of data for a year if you use it independently of Pownce. Overpriced much?

While we're on the subject of "freemium" web services, let's discuss payment. Kevin, if you are reading this, this is the one line you really need to take to heart: don't make me sign up for fucking Paypal to use your lame ass web service. Paypal is the only web service with hooves.

Oh yeah, when you pay, you also get to bypass all the ads. Considering all the would-be users of this service are already trained enough to ignore online ads, this doesn't seem like much of a draw.

What The Fuck Is Megatechtronium

Supposedly that's the company that develops Pownce. What, Hypercompuglobalmeganet was taken?

Did I mention that Pownce sucks balls at being usably fast? The latency is ridiculous, up to 15 seconds for some page loads. If you're going to serve ads, your latency needs to be under 500ms. ALL THE TIME. But that doesn't matter, this is Web 2.0.

There's also some kind of desktop application that goes with Pownce. You can use it to send and receive notes. Yeah, I know it's funny, but stick with me, this is gonna be a good burn. If you were going to write a desktop application in a common runtime so that users on all platforms could run it, what would you choose? Yeah, I said Java too.

If you're Leah Culver, Daniel Burka, or Shawn Allen, chances are you said AIR. What is AIR? It stands for Adobe Integrated Runtime. It's a platform agnostic runtime that is installed fucking nowhere. You need to install this runtime to use Pownce's desktop app, and they even go so far as to say, "Don't know if you have it? If you're not sure, you probably don't have it installed." Translated, this means "We're trying really really hard to force traction on this runtime, so download this. Really, it's like RealPlayer being the future of internet video."

DELETE FROM Internet

The best part of this whole experience is how I came across an invite to Pownce. A co-worker of mine had an account with a few invites. She kept giving out invitations, until she had -50 invites. Negative fifty. That's some nice bounds checking there. Was it on purpose? Eh, fuck, at this point who cares?

Now let's watch the Web 2.0 circlejerk play ookie cookie with this one.

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92 Comments

For the paypal part, usually there's an option to pay by credit card if you don't have a paypal account, it just isn't that obvious. I find Google checkout even worse, since you are required to have an all-encompassing Google-everything account just to make a payment. But for a small scale web business, what choice do you have? It's too much work to make a custom payments solution, right?
I sure do wish people would quit making software just because they can. No one needs "services" or "apps" like Pownce. And no, I don't need to even try it to know if I'll like it.
Yeah, my site may suck and all that...but I'm rich bitch! People know me, respect me and almost worship me. Who the fuck are you again? I chuckled over your comment about "your coworker". Coworker! Ha! You fucking wage slave! I'm sitting here in my 9,000 sq foot house getting blown by blondes while sipping champagne and your working. Yeah, go ahead and make fun of my shit. But do it on your own time, not your employers!
Hi Guys - just wanted to say how much I've been enjoying uncov. It's been long overdue in my opinion. I'm so sick of the wankers going on and on about the same set of lame applications that offer nothing different to the last. I would love yet another post about how Facebook Apps are changing the game.... Please - how about just one more? Pounce seems to me like it is 'taking the piss'. I think it was created just to see how many people would waste their time and sign up to yet ANOTHER stupid web service! What is the count at Pounce? Perhaps Kevin couldn't get his favorite username on twitter so he decided to build his own... With AIR... Impressive! Keep up the good work guys. I'd say there is a whole lot more crap headed our way.... Shields up!
Dugg! http://digg.com/tech_news/Kevin_Rose_Pownce_Get_Pwned_by_Uncov/
Hey, sorry about the slow page loads. That's mostly due to script.aculo.us. I'm working on cutting down the JavaScript quite a bit, but until then feel free to use the site without JavaScript. It should work just fine.
A web 2.0 product that works without JavaScript, Leah, are you NUTS? Props, though, if you can do <noscript>
YUI instead? Please keep flames tasteful :)
I am surprised the site even works, rounding numbers? HARD http://www.leahculver.com/2007/04/19/star-ratings/
Wow aren't you guys a bundle of love. >_>
users have rejected pownce because leah culver is hot yes its true men do not want to address a threat to a male dominated domain (coding) by a female who is also unattainable as a mate and this my children is why most women who are succesful in CS look like your dad, and why most hot women end up in jobs not male dominated oh i nailed that. three points.
Hell, if anyone her got "owned" it's the guy who wrote this article, owned by Kevin Rose. You think he cares how shitty his site his? Like he said, he's rich. He won. See "Myspace syndrome"
Ha, that was actually quite funny! Now, I have no choice to sign up and try Pownce. Oh shit, is "Ted" just Kevin Rose's pen name?
Yes, whoopee, I can clearly see why that explanation is SO much more likely than users having rejected pownce because it's a little bit shite.
funny shit. keep up the good work.
Not only hilarious but spot on the mark. Web 2.0 can be great but is also encouraging lameness.
Hahaha, anyone from the UK notice how Pownce just outright IS ponce? Fuck. Kevin Rose is definately getting blown by a blonde right now (were he not getting an iPhone in the freezing cold tempratures in NY right now), what the fuck does he care?
So your all bitching about another web 2.0 project...idiotic. Props to the team for making it.. your argument is lame, it would be like me saying you cant make another car like a bmw, because one already exists. There's hundreds of web 2.0 that are near identical, the guys are trying to cash in... I say good luck, even if it is bugy!
Seems like Adobe is trying to spread the word of AIR with a big name Like kevin rose. Shame Microsoft Silverlight is much more, plus Microsoft run-time is 2x faster at installing. MS wants Silverlight to be the next flash, where it is already installed on every-one's systems, or auto installs like flash. Adobe AIR is too damn slow and lacks Designer/Developer compatibilities.
Okay, I lied. I don't get blown by blondes. I use the champagne bottle after I finish it off before 10 a.m.
video review of pownce: http://www.centernetworks.com/pownce-its-pretty-freakin-sweet
ha ha pwnce. you guys say everything i want to say but with most of the expletives removed.
That was the shit. I really hate all this Web 2.0 BS thats just replacing systems that have been out for years. FTP, Email, Phone Calls? Pretty soon the wheel and fire are going to be Web 2.0.
lol he did hit some of the key problems with it, it has potential but it is currently too buggy to use. Also it's not original, since its competitors including Delicious (tagging of cool sites which already host the content) and Furl (save cool pages, archives them and tag them). So I think Pownce can only succeed by tapping into the Digg userbase and by making Digg users use it through some sort of cross-marketting - eg: Digg has a link called "Save to Pownce" - which saves the content on to the users pownce account). On it's own, it's a very bad web app - which is only receiving attention because Kevin Rose is affiliated with it!
Excellent write up.
HAHA. i was waiting for this... absolutely love this.
this is not kevin rose
hey kid! i'm a computer!
Fucking hilarious and dead on
Sounds like someone woke up cranky and is a bit jealous.
So, exactly why do you kids cry about a program that none of you intend to use? Do you simply like to de-fame people for the mere enjoyment of it? If it is such a useless or terribly written program, make a better one. Then you can call it Bownce or whatever the hell you want. Otherwise, why waste your "valuable time" with mindless comments that lead to NOTHING. In my own defense, I am at work. I don't work at work. I post in forums and chat. That's how I roll.
You mention running a Java desktop application is if it were better than AIR. Don't make me laugh.
I just heard of this little website called google: http://baus.net/uncov-on-google
IMHO, you all are friggin panzies. Pownce is a better clothed (if that) twitter. When are we going to see original web applications. Ever since 37s fame made it okay to capitalize on a variation of the same bs over and over, here come all the dumb web20 kids doin the same thing, including Kevin Rose. Pownce = a damn shame to web development
Yeah, but Leah Culver... I mean, we all would.
First off shut the hell up...2ndly Kevin Rose and the gang are fucking cool as hell..They have done alot...3rdly what if you are somebody that doesnt know how to make and use an ftp server and this is simply to help you get ur ass in the door..Like others have said put ur skillz where you mouth is and make something better...Last time I checked any program that comes out hardly ever DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING WROGN WITH IT..so there is alot of testing etc passing out invites etc...Kevin your doing great...I mean just look at the new episode of The Broken..Well thats my 2 cents about it all and t('_'t) to the guy that wrote this stupid article.
Pownce licks shorn cat scrotum. As useless and meaningless as a fart in a car. And it will be around for as long as one I suspect...
you just don't get it man. you are 100% nerd ... something like FTP is only accessible to uber l33t haxorz, not the every day internet user. pownce will make it easy for a 14 year old version of yourself to send the latest hot anime import dvd rip straigt from jp.tv to your otaku buddy list. step out of the cyber world and see the dawn of reality.
I agree with the article, this is LAME!! It's basically a glorified Tripod or Angelfire. Or a downgraded FTP client that makes you pay a monthly fee. On the other hand, I have just discovered uncov.com. yay.
scyntar, there are few people who are farther from cool than kevin rose...you fail it
If you don't know how to "FTP", do yourself a favor and paint the wall with your brains. Consider yourself 100% worthless. And no, you can't send a DVD rip dumbass. Theres upload limits. Welcome to the world of torrents. And who the hell is Kevin Rose? Wasn't he the gay guy in that Dirk Diggler movie?
OMG. I am so glad someone wrote how much pownce sucks and people actually read it. Pownce is worthless. Twitter. . .uhhh. . almost worthless.
It amazes me how many people on here that can't elucidate thier thoughts without foul language and degradation of character. Your point could have been made without all that. Having said this I do agree with you on the grounds that this type of service should at least execute well.
aren't blogs web 2.0?
huh, the ping didn't work: http://www.bsgeek.com/2007/06/29/from-digg-kevin-rose-pownce-get-pwned-by-uncov/ But yeah, what those guys said is totally true. Me too.
I just need to post this for the record before I unsubscribe: I loved uncov when it started, because it was witty and interesting. But lambasting a closed-beta website because it has 503 errors and Javascript comments? That's neither relevant nor funny. (Not to mention the plea for Java. Which makes the scales tip toward "completely ironic post." In which case: Still, not funny. Just like the dozen previous posts and the posts before that.) If you want to critique web 2.0, you've got to be decent bloggers. And if you're going to be decent bloggers, that means you should write when you've got something to say, rather than work so very hard to find whatever bullshit you can make up about the latest famous new service. (And I'm not defending Pownce, which I think looks like an okay service with no target audience.)
I'm not much of a fan over the site either. Your article on the other handle is pathetic. So let's get this right here, you bitched about a one line comment on a site that is for the most part closed to the public for beta. Meaning we can expect large amounts of changes based on user comment at this point. Your worried about a one line comment in Javascript? Have you even looked at your own sites source? Your <title> tag alone has 5 blank lines and the rest is broken up one or two words per line. Not sure you should be complaining. That and someone that is that worried over wasted space in production code you have some pretty big block comments in your css as well.You load Javascript from 8 different sites on a single page visit to your site. If your going to claim your some big "latency crank" prove it on your own site rather than crying about an others work. Not sure the site was designed for people to share mp3's either. Was a simple goal from what I understand, to share files between people at work easily. If others use it I'm sure that's great from them *cough* advertisements *cough*. Yes ftp could accomplish this I totally agree with you there. Hey lets do one better and bring back gopher! Let's just say you are using it for legal purposes; not sending your friends full mp3 albums. How big is the average text file or pdf? Maybe a image or two? I am not sure the service was designed to back up your hard drive and store the files there forever. Put the file up/link whatever, grab it and move on. I can't speak for the creators of the site but mp3 storage I'm sure was not on any ones mind. If you can't for the 20$ though I'm sure you could put a Paypal link in with your other advertisements here and get people to help you out though ;) The bounds checking, well that is just shit on them. Go ahead and rip me, Save you some time I'm sure i miscounted in 3 places. Just don't have the ambition to really look.
Oh no! Zacharias is unsubscribing! Please print a retraction because without his weight behind this website, it'll certainly crash and burn. And by the way, great write-up and very witty!
Wow there is some serious ball-aching going on in the comments here. Keep up the good work. gregf and garoo, I'd suggest getting the fuck off the internet. It's a scary place and I'm not sure you're ready for it yet.
Nice article, it's about time someone ripped up some of these crap "web 2.0" Web bubble 2.0 anyone?
This post is just Digg-bait... nothing more. Hell, this whole blog is just Digg-bait - a bunch of rants with no merit. Weak attempt to drive traffic. Sad, very sad... -Aidan
Anyone that can find a blog should be able to FTP. Complaining that FTP is complicated and for the nerdy shows how immature and impractical the Web 2.0 junkies can be. What the hell are you even doing reading tech based blogs if you don't know how to use simple protocols? It should be a prereq that you're able to use SMTP, FTP, etc before you're allowed to use HTTP.
You are obviously a misogynist with an axe to grind. Making such a big deal out of a commented line of code in a BETA application is ridiculous. However, your rage is actually hilarious, but totally misplaced. You obviously have a problem with female coders, especially good looking ones. SO what if she doesn't always write the best code, most programmers don't. What matters in the end is the result. In your post you asked her to blow you a couple of times, and early on you call her out by name. Obvious you have some issues with women and anger management. Have fun!
This article is nothing more than Digg-bait - just like the rest of the site. It is a weak attempt at driving traffic. These posts are without merit. PS. Don't delete my comment this time. It's cowardly. -Aidan
Hey... sorry about the second comment. It seems that not all the comments loaded last time I loaded the page. The same is true this time. You might want to look into this. Currently, I can only sees up to Ted's comment at 11:08... -Aidan
..oh. And Pownce. Is downright fugly. I could design a better looking site with hamsters eating my eyes, and Pandas nibbling on my nads.
A lot of people putting this site down for putting other sites down - stop it, you're going to break the internet. They need a .pussyboy TLD for some of you guys getting all huffy about the use of cynicism in a blog post. I mean seriously did your mothers rubber foam the coffee table until you were 10 so that you wouldn't get a boo boo? Why don't you fellas slide in a new tampon and head on back to techcrunch where you can pretend there are no bad web sites.
I'd rather AIR than ugly/slow/old-school Java!
Give me an invite so I can pretend to hate it too ;)
Ah man, I love the hating on here, but I can't stand people that think they know what they are talking about and say something stupid..... For all the dummies making comments about Silverlight: Flash Player competes with Silverlight in the browser AIR competes with WPF and Java (and others) on the desktop In case you didn't know the difference. Silverlight is a browser plugin, not a desktop runtime. Most of the time, when a new runtime comes out people start developing apps with it...........? The AIR "burn" is lame. If Java would have been your first thought as to how to implement Pownce on the desktop, then it is clear who we're dealing with here.
Newsflash! KEVIN ROSE COMES OUT! http://www.baytzim.com/digg/
I'm also not Kevin Rose.
psssssh... if you are going to ripp on pownce then you might as well ripp on about 30 other similar yet more ripp-worthy applications that are out there. I didn't like your article one bit, yet I read it, and have no one to blame but myself. If you don't like something that much don't use it and keep your mouth shut. hhmmmmok!?
nvm i didn't know what your site is about i thought you were being aSs**le. You can say whatever you want it's cool, take care now... hmmmok?!
Nothing new with Pownce, everything can already be done in yahoo and more. We'll be launching a new website soon, which will be a lot better than Pownce. A mash-up of yahoo groups, flickr, 360, and other yahoo services. Members get the same space limit as yahoo mail (i.e. it's possible to get unlimited storage space). Yahoo!
Are you seriously suggesting Java as the right way to go for the desktop app? Maybe you should stick to whatever your day job is.
I thought the article/rant was going pretty good until you mentioned Java. Java? Seriously? Java for a desktop application? What an idiot! Lost all credibility in a second!
The author of this article has a personal emotional complex to rip into something/someone so hard in such an unprofessional way. Reviewing features or giving a rating might be useful, but tearing into it like you did just makes you look like a moronic jerk.
hey, don't look at me. i'm just writing down all the funny lines. man, you guys sure can rip new ones. "gay guy in that Dirk Diggler movie" = high rank. pownce = fugly name, isn't it like for the dryer anyway? also: total all time low web 2.0. but logically, there had to be one. and who better. wheel and fire also excellent. i'm getting a blog post out of this.
dorian That was the shit. I really hate all this Web 2.0 BS thats just replacing systems that have been out for years. FTP, Email, Phone Calls? 'replacing'? Funny that - last time I looked all of those applications were still available. If you don't like the new stuff nobody is forcing you to use it.
You should just put the F bomb in the title so people know what they are in for. Amateur.
When or if I get around to doing my own Web 2.0 web site, how do I get uncov to snark on it so I can get a traffic hit?
I'm gay...why would I be getting blown by blondes?
Hold on guys... I have great plans that will revolutionize the Internet in 2008. Get ready for free email and free image hosting! And stop saying I'm not creative :P
I'll take desperately looking for an idea for $400, Alex.
I'm gay!!
Now I have two teeth. Absurdly funny. Post of the year anywhere.
Actually "Hypercompuglobalmeganet.com" is registered, I was thinking of registering it for my next web 2.0 app. ... shucks
Wow. Your Review is about 100% different from mine, you should read mine and see the way I thought about it. My Review: http://www.damienbenoit.com/blog/?p=420 I will post yours on my site so people can see what you thought as well!
"I'm gay...why would I be getting blown by blondes? " So guys can't have blonde hair? I see you put as much thought in your post as Ted puts into his site design. Oh..and keep working, Ted. The guys here at the country club are having a lot of fun racing our Ferraris down the club parking lot thinking of you working in a cube. Keep up the good work and keep pumping traffic to my site.
I like fake Kevin Rose better than real Kevin Rose.
Seriously? Just use Jabber....it's much more expandable....I don't get it...how many friggin IM networks do we need? Oh, but this one is INVITE Only.....and lets you share 100MB files....well, I was able to transfer 2gigs of data over Google Talk this weekend....:P
Most of you are such babies...this post is hilarious, and chances are it's right on target, too. If you don't get it, look up the word "flames." And to dumbasses saying oh, FTP is so hard, FTP has been around forever, and it's the way most websites and blogs were (and still are) updated, so Pawnce is automatically a waste of time before it's even out of the gate. I'm sure there's thousands of user-created personal FTP sites being shared by friends and family the world over...it's not exactly an original idea, it's just being done on a slightly larger scale with this. And misogyny my ass. If there's a woman reading this who can't handle it they should get off the Web, crying about how some guy said this or that. So what? Leah's not exactly the brightest bulb on the shelf, either, though she is sort of clever. This is the girl who got Diggers to buy her a new Mac Notebook after begging them for one from her website earlier this year. I was one of the few women who bothered warning her it wasn't the brightest move she's ever made, but lost in a Digg comment that no longer exists I'm sure she took no notice, and hell, she's still walking around, so it couldn't have turned out that bad. Give me a break.
BTW there's something wrong with the comment system here; I don't even know who "adam" is, but the comment attributed to him (was he trying to leave a comment at that moment, too?) is mine.
Dude, have YOU ever written a java desktop app???? The UI toolkits available basically totally suck, it is not a modern UI builder at all..... Netbeans 5.5 makes it a little easier, but the available widgets suck and are so last century. Nuttin wrong with trying a new platform. Oh yeah, and your Mom is here, she would say hello but her mouth is full.
"The guys here at the country club are having a lot of fun racing our Ferraris down the club parking lot thinking of you working in a cube. Keep up the good work and keep pumping traffic to my site." - Fake KR But then... "Pownce is brought to you by a bunch of geeks who were frustrated trying to send stuff from one cube to another" -Pownce Who's in a cube now, Biiiiiitch?
And the comment *after* my "BTW" post wasn't made by me either; I have an aversion to using the word "dude" in writing. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE COMMENT SYSTEM HERE, Ted, Kyle, et al. Please fix it.
so who is kevin rose anyways ?
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
do you work for twitter?
Seriously, just get your head out of your ass. Why don't you actually learn what it does and what it's functionality is. If you hate it so much, build something yourself. Code an app, if you even can. All you want is some satisfaction for your big ego, and this is the way it shows.
Props to Leah Culver for getting some harsh feedback and using it to make improvements. I respect that. Its much different from Kevin Rose's response, who mistakes having money for having a pair. A valuable lesson for when Uncov tears me a new whole.

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